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The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby Arthur Ratnik » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:53 am

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This month the Freaks tackle one of the most baffling episodes of the original series - The Alternative Factor! Therin we meet Lazarus, the time-traveler with the fiber-optic goatee who holds the fates of two universes in his hands! Then it's on to DC Comic's Star Trek where the crew return to our universe to discover that they may need the help of a nosy Andorian reporter to keep Kirk and company out of the clink! Finally, in Star Trek : The Next Generation, we see the first Holodeck Gone Haywire episode - The Big Goodbye. Keep your eyeballs peeled for some classic character actors in this one!
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby Bibliomike » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:40 am

Argh! I had a huge note posted here, I thought -- and now it's gone! Sigh.

Long story short -- I enjoyed the discussion :)

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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby ljacone » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:26 pm

Fail into the Holodeck Porno Subroutine... LOL! That's awesome!

The Holodeck really doesn't make much sense when you think about it. That's pretty much it's major flaw. It's useful for telling period pieces in a scifi story but I never really liked any of the Holodeck eps. The Sherlock Holmes/Data one was alright, but like the Western one, that was dumb. And I am a sucker for Westerns. About the only bit I really liked was when Barclay made the program where he was the hero and Riker was a fool, Troi his adoring lady love, etc. That was funny, but it was a throwaway, all told.
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby Arthur Ratnik » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:40 am

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This month, the Freaks celebrate the return of Scott as mix-master of Star Trek Monthly Monday. This month you get TWO Mugatos, space-poop Mugato bite cure, space Viagra, Chapel punching Spock, Kirk kicking Jawas, Hells Angels in space, double Data duty, flaming Doctor Crusher, hot Crystalline Entity on Enterprise action, fish tank space suits, Sulu sword references and so much more!
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby Bibliomike » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:28 pm

You're right, M'Benga's only other appearance is "That Which Survives," but I believe he is mentioned in passing by McCoy in one other episode. His experience as a human among Vulcans would have made for some interesting parallels to Spock as a Vulcan among humans. If TOS were produced today, he would probably get at leas one ongoing story arc per season! Just goes to show how different the approach is to serial/serialized drama and continuity today. (Chris, I had never thought about the inconsistency re: McCoy's complaints about Vulcan anatomy and internal medicine!)

I wanted to read "Vulcan Academy Murders" for the longest time as a kid, but it was never in my local bookstores, and this was way pre-Internet shopping. When I was finally given a copy, it was a HUGE disappointment. Maybe you will like it better than I did. "The Klingon Gambit" is # 2 or 3 in the series, but I have never read it. I didn't like "The Final Reflection," either, but it is notable for being the first in-depth (although non-canonical) exploration of Kilngons in their own right, and apparently it is highly regarded by many fans. I've occasionally thought I should give it another try (but I probably won't -- life's too short). I also never got the appeal of John M. Ford's other Trek novel, "How Much for Just the Planet?" That's another one with a huge fan following, but the appeal eludes me.

I like the idea of soliciting feedback in advance. I'll try to send in some thoughts before next time!

For argument's sake: if the shuttlecraft "Galileo" in "The Galileo Seven" counts as Spock's first command (McCoy: "And so ends your first command"), then the "D'Artangan" should get to count as Sulu's first command, whether or not it's "just a shuttle." And, frankly, I wouldn't want to be on a shuttlecraft with a commanding officer who was of the mindset, "This doesn't count as a command, it's just a shuttlecraft." Just sayin', there's precedent.

"All women are unstable at their core"? No less so than all men. ;-)

Data may not be "alive," but if you deny his sentience and capacity for growth and self-determination, you're undercutting an awful lot of later TNG stories and pretty much gutting the character as he's presented. Maybe that's a legitimate choice, but, if so, what's the point? Why have him at all -- except, I guess, to be that Spock-esque commentator on humanity? That second season episode you allude to lists the scientific criteria of defining life, and the script (at least) determines that Data meets each and every one of them (although I suppose one could argue the opposite point, that the definitions have to be stretched to include him). And surely he passes the Turing test with flying colors (that's the scenario Chris alludes to -- an artificial intelligence indistinguishable from the real thing). Anyway, I'll be looking forward to hearing more on this subject when we get there, because it is one of the more interesting conundrums TNG posed. It does seem counter-intuitive that this android would be declared life ("We are called to seek new life? Well there it sits!"), but that does seem to be pretty firmly where TNG came down on the question.

I don't know bootlegs, but FSM is now shipping a massive box set of all of Ron Jones' TNG stores except "Best of Both Worlds" (to which GNP Crescendo still has the rights) -- http://www.screenarchives.com/title_det ... -PRE-ORDER. As it's $150, though, I don't think I'll be getting it any time soon!

I don't think it's ever been done, but someone in a fan forum years ago speculated that maybe Dr. Crusher's "year at Starfleet Medical" was really a time in which she was working in some capacity, willing or unwilling, for Section 31. I don't care for the idea of Section 31, but I would enjoy that story, I have to admit!

The other reason the adults' treatment of Wesley doesn't make sense is that just a few months earlier, in "Where No Man Has Gone Before," Riker didn't listen to Wesley about the Traveler, and later acknowledged he should have. I don't have any great love for Wesley, either, so it doesn't keep me up at night; but it's just another sign of how poorly put together this episode (and, indeed, most of the first season) was cobbled together.

Scott, maybe this'll surprise you, but I agree with your criticisms re: the Borg Queen. That, I think, is a far better reason to dislike "First Contact" than anything about the Vulcans, per our earlier discussions. For my own part, I manage somehow to "buy it" enough for the duration of the movie, because I think that Alice Krige does a fantastic job with the role; but there's no denying that the concept *behind* the role is flawed, and that only becomes more apparent as the role "evolves" in "Voyager." So I think you're right, it is a very strong strike against that film, even if I come out at a more positive view of the film as a whole than you do.

On a non-Trek note, I was really interested to hear, in fuller detail, the story of Scott's employment with Disney. Again, many congratulations and very best wishes as you start! Sounds like you handled the "casting" interview in just the right way. It's an awesome thing when people can get the jobs they want, where they want, and I am really happy for you, and I hope this will be the beginning of many long and happy years of employment with the company. Very awesome. We are tentatively planning a trip to WDW 4 years from now -- you'll have to let me know your job and shift at that time so we can say hi!

And Chris -- spill those pinnacle beans! We need a chance to cheer for you, too! :-)

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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby ljacone » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:51 pm

Haven't listened to the episode yet, but The Vulcan Academy Murders was the first Star Trek novel I ever read! I thought it was a fun read, but I'm not the best judge when it comes to Trek stuff.
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby Bibliomike » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:20 pm

Not doubting your judgment, ljacone -- everyone's mileage may vary! Frankly, I've recently found myself becoming impatient with media tie-in fiction (and I say that as one who's made a very small contribution to that body of work!). Too often, I get excited by a novel or comic book's premise, only to be disappointed that they didn't develop it as I would've. That's not fair, of course, nor is it logical -- but there you have it. So I'm trying to spend my pennies on non-media stuff. Is that geek heresy? Don't worry -- I am sure I will still fall off this wagon from time to time. ;-)

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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby ljacone » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:52 am

Listened to the first segment... I need to start watching the episodes online or something before listening to the podcast. I know I have seen most of these episodes on WPIX, but it's been at least 25 years at this point and there almost all blanks in my mind! I don't remember anything of A Private Little War, but it certainly sounds like a solid Cold War ep. And hey, if I watch the ep I can send in thoughts like you guys suggest.

Vulcan Academy Murders I thought was a nifty little murder mystery, the sort of episode which would be a low cost episode with only a few sets and whatnot. The IDIC Epidemic is sort of a sequel to VAM, with a lot of the same characters, and I liked it as well. I think specific references are made to VAM as well. I have long since donated both of them to Goodwill but I enjoyed them while I read them.

Was that a KFC commercial?!

And Bibliomike, no, my judgement is not that great. Apparently I am pretty easily impressed with certain things. I have only read one ST novel I didn't like (Home Is The Hunter, which was so obvious and stupid it just set my eyes a-rolling), so clearly I am not the savage critic-type! And it's not heresy for buying non-media stuff... I'm currently looking for some good non-media related sci-fi and low-fantasy type stuff to read.
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby Hair-Metal Hero » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:34 am

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if you dig it, you'll enjoy the others, if you don't, its pretty short, and not much of a time commitment.
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

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Postby Hair-Metal Hero » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:43 am

I don't really dig Anthony's other stuff either, he tries to blend some really racey and depraved stuff with seriously goofy humor sometimes, and it just doesn't work for me.
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Postby ljacone » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:11 pm

Sweet, I will check that stuff out next time I am at Mr. K's!
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby ljacone » Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:25 pm

Alright, listened to the last segment!

Datalore is probably the first "classic" TNG ep since Farpoint. I think that Chris is right, the idea of the "evil brother" is a classic literary/tv trope which people respond to. I'm not a huge Data fan, but I think everyone has a minimum amount of Data that they like, and this is a pretty good episode featuring him. Its definitely one of the more well-known and regarded first season episodes.

My father has made the same argument about how Starfleet would make a bunch of Datas. I told him that Data was unique, and that there only one other andoid like him in the universe. My father's response: Well that's stupid. My Dad, ladies and gentlemen.

Agreed about the Borg Queen and the personalization of the Borg... they were much more effective as nameless, faceless, foes. Of course, even The Best Of Both Worlds started this trend with Locutus, but what can you do?
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Postby Hair-Metal Hero » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:40 am

The only problem with The Borg is that they are just way too powerful. Mankind shouldn't even be able to grasp them at all, it should have been game over for Starfleet during The Bset of Both Worlds. That episode made for good TV though.
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby Arthur Ratnik » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:44 am

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This month, in a MASSIVE MILESTONE 150th episode, the Freaks offer up a GIANT-SIZED episode chock full of Star Trek surprises! First up, it's the classic TOS episode "The Changeling", an episode with many similarities to ST: The Motion Picture. Billions are killed, Scotty pulls a Lazarus and Uhura has a hard-drive crash! Next, it's a special Scotty-centric issue of DC's Star Trek comic. Prepare yourselves for a special surprise in this segment! Then, we wind things down with a sensuous episode of The Next Generation "Angel One". Watch Riker get his Kirk on! Plus- "Khan-Ruling In Hell" and a visit from Konom the pussified Klingon!
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Postby NewFun#6 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:14 am

I hope we get some really great chatter going regarding this latest episode. I truly believe it to be one of our best ever!
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Re: The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

Postby Bibliomike » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:50 pm

Great interview with your special guest, guys! Congratulations -- very enjoyable. Paul seems like a really nice guy. (His son has John Byrne murals on the walls? How cool is that!)

The "Vulcan hand sign," in the real world, is shorthand (ha!) for the Divine Name. One Hebrew name for God is "Shaddai" (the Almighty), and begins with the letter "shin," which the hand sign Nimoy saw his priest using more or less resembles.


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