The Star Trek Monthly Monday Thread

[Hair-Metal Hero]

Spock also knows that please and thank you don't go over well with the Klingons, he simply was engaging them on their level.

[Bibliomike]

[Bibliomike]

[NewFun#6]

[NewFun#6]

[Bibliomike]

[Dan North]

Shatner always seemed like he cared dearly about Kirk and Trek in general because (unlike Nimoy) he realized early on "Holy Shit these morons actually pay good money for this shit! I'm all in!" Nimoy just shows up acts and gets his paycheck. I can't really blame him for that because he does a great job and it is how he puts food on the table I do appreciate that Shatner takes the extra effort to do some research.

[kane starkiller]

You must remember, too, that the TMP theme wasn't being used at the time, either. By the time Next Gen came along, there had been three more films, none of which was scored by Jerry Goldsmith. I would imagine that, again, at the time no one could've imagined he'd be back scoring another Trek film and certainly not the very next one.

Mike, I'll agree with you on the VOY theme. A very underrated Goldsmith piece. DS9? Not so much. I find it the absolute weakest of all Trek themes. It's as boring as the show it was written for -- which I suppose makes it fitting, but still...[/quote]

I love the theme I just wanted to hear an original composition for nextgen. Don't hate on DS9 the theme might be pedestrian but it was the better spinoff. I think it had more of the spirit of TOS or ENT. Sure it floundered the first two years, but year three they hit their stride and of course into the Dominion War they really started to click. Episodes like the Visitor and In The Pale Moon Light or Far Beyond the Stars really highlighted what the cast could do. Sorry Gene there is war in the future and not everything can be negotiated. Plus it had the best series finale of all the different shows. I call it the Empire Strikes Back ending. Give it another shot Scott you just might like it.

[NewFun#6]

I'm coming due for a rewatch of DS9 thru ENT, so...

[kane starkiller]

God I miss Enterprise! They never did get the proper send off. Have you been reading the Romulan War arc in the Enterprise books? A great continuation of the plots and stories set up in the fourth season. I still have to read the Shatner academy novel Collision Course. Overall I think his best was The Return. After that they start to veer into fantastical fan fiction. Fun reads mind you, not as juicy as the NF Peter David novels. Vanguard is good to check out too. Its not just DS9 during TOS.

[JonathanCrites]

Just started in on the STV commentary - Kirk is climbing in Yosemite National Park so yes, it is a park that they probably don't want shuttles and stuff flying in and out of. The 'Shatner of the Mount' YouTube video is made up from stuff out of this scene.

[JonathanCrites]

Next running comment/question: Is that piece of score playing during the credits at the beginning used in one of the TNG movies later on?

[Bibliomike]

[JonathanCrites]

Thansk Mike, I thought that it sounded familiar. Wasn't First Contact a Goldsmith score too?

Also, last time I watched some of this movie I stopped at the nighttime desert raid with Uhura's dancing . . . I just found that a good place to stop and I never made it back.

[Bibliomike]

All of the TNG films except "Generations" were Goldsmith scores. Goldsmith would use the five-note motif found prominently in his ST V score as a kind of recurring motif in the TNG scores -- compare "A Busy Man" from ST V with "The Dish" from First Contact, e.g. -- which is maybe another reason you thought the opening credits piece had been recycled.

[JonathanCrites]

As a kid growing up in a God fearing household, this ST movie always was strange to me. I think looking back I agree that the meeting God aspect could have been done better but as a kid I found it a little intimidating. I am going to have to finish it somepoint soon.

[Bibliomike]

[JonathanCrites]

I agree with your points and as a kid those distinctions were a little too much for me to make. It was a relief to me then that they didn't actually meet God but some monster instead. I guess I would have felt them meeting God directly to be blasphemous or something? Now, as an adult, I think they could have gone a little further with 'the Final Frontier'. I also agree that the ending is the humanist result one would expect from a standard Star Trek story. Especially in tOS/TNG era - I think that tone fades a little with DS9 and Voyager (but I haven't watched these in a long time and could be wrong).

Like I said before, I haven't watched STV all the way through in a long time so the details of the last act are a little hazy to me. Going to have to rectify that soon.

[Bibliomike]

[JonathanCrites]

See, all I can remember from DS9 (from watching it as a kid on TV) was that it didn't have as many uplifitng, 'man is great and can do anything' endings that I recall from tOS and TNG. Good point about DS9's similarity to BSG, I think the role of religion in BSG pretty clearly relates to religion in a post 9/11 world.